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can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4853

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My Parsons Jack Russell is 13 years old, and she is sick. My brother took her to the vet last week when I was truckn.
He called me very distraught after the vet visit. He told me that she,, my dog,,, has congestive heart failure.
I was crushed,,, this poor little dog came from an Amish puppy mill. She ran away from the mill and showed up at my door when my Rottweiler was on his last days with stomach cancer.

ToTo is my Jacks name,,, she was born deaf. She was so afraid when I took her in. It took awhile before she would accept me. She was apparently abused. I found out 5months later where she ran away from,,, took her back there,, because she was not my dog,,, and begged the Amish man to sell her to me. I explained to him that she was deaf,, and would have deaf puppies,,, well a week later I went back to see if he decided if he would sell her to me,,, and says, "Here, just take her, she aint no good for huntin any how".
She had a broken rib at this time, she looked a mess.
I took her home and cleaned her up. She then new that I was her savior.
This little dog means the world to me and my brother. It is so hard to see her get old, and now she is sick.

I ask my brother to please take her to another vet to get a second diagnosis. The first vet was very oldschool.
He only listened to her heart,,no blood work,,,no x-rays.
The next vet drew blood, took x-rays, etc,,, and said that ToTo does not have congestive heart failure.
She,, the Vet,, said that ToTo has a heart murmur,,(common in small older dogs),,, and that she also had a cold that could turn into pneumonia if she was't put on an anti biotic. The vet said that the heart murmur was treatable, but not curable,,with proper medicine. The murmur was caused from plaque on ToTo's teeth. So now ToTo will be getting her teeth cleaned.
If we didn't take her for a second opinion,,she could have gotten even sicker with the cold, and that could have been detrimental.
Long story,,, sorry for those who get annoyed easy,,,but this is about KRATOM.

Does anyone know if Kratom has ever been used on cats or dogs to try to heal specific illnesses?
Or is Kratom dangerous for animals, like caffiene, or chocolate can be.
I would never try it on ToTo unless I new for sure of documented proof of animals that were helped with Kratom.

I know ToTo is old,,,90 in human years,,, but I sure want her to be as comfortable as she can the rest of her short doggy life.
I have been through so many dogs,,,and ToTo is the most precious dog that I ever had.
She is the most loving dog.
She will stay here with my brother when I move out West,,,this is the home she knows,,it wouldn't be right to her to take her to a strange place now that she is a senior dog, and ill...I am so sad :( ....She has been treated like a moviestar dog. She is very, very, spoiled.
I want to give her the best treatment possible. Is there any Veterinarians out there that can answer this question for me.
I really, really, appreciate any documented information that anyone can give. I s Kratom safe, or dangerous for dogs, and cats,,, or any other pets, or farm animals, etc. THANK YOU,,,
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4865

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Pete53 wrote:
My Parsons Jack Russell is 13 years old, and she is sick. My brother took her to the vet last week when I was truckn.
He called me very distraught after the vet visit. He told me that she,, my dog,,, has congestive heart failure.
I was crushed,,, this poor little dog came from an Amish puppy mill. She ran away from the mill and showed up at my door when my Rottweiler was on his last days with stomach cancer.

ToTo is my Jacks name,,, she was born deaf. She was so afraid when I took her in. It took awhile before she would accept me. She was apparently abused. I found out 5months later where she ran away from,,, took her back there,, because she was not my dog,,, and begged the Amish man to sell her to me. I explained to him that she was deaf,, and would have deaf puppies,,, well a week later I went back to see if he decided if he would sell her to me,,, and says, "Here, just take her, she aint no good for huntin any how".
She had a broken rib at this time, she looked a mess.
I took her home and cleaned her up. She then new that I was her savior.
This little dog means the world to me and my brother. It is so hard to see her get old, and now she is sick.

I ask my brother to please take her to another vet to get a second diagnosis. The first vet was very oldschool.
He only listened to her heart,,no blood work,,,no x-rays.
The next vet drew blood, took x-rays, etc,,, and said that ToTo does not have congestive heart failure.
She,, the Vet,, said that ToTo has a heart murmur,,(common in small older dogs),,, and that she also had a cold that could turn into pneumonia if she was't put on an anti biotic. The vet said that the heart murmur was treatable, but not curable,,with proper medicine. The murmur was caused from plaque on ToTo's teeth. So now ToTo will be getting her teeth cleaned.
If we didn't take her for a second opinion,,she could have gotten even sicker with the cold, and that could have been detrimental.
Long story,,, sorry for those who get annoyed easy,,,but this is about KRATOM.

Does anyone know if Kratom has ever been used on cats or dogs to try to heal specific illnesses?
Or is Kratom dangerous for animals, like caffiene, or chocolate can be.
I would never try it on ToTo unless I new for sure of documented proof of animals that were helped with Kratom.

I know ToTo is old,,,90 in human years,,, but I sure want her to be as comfortable as she can the rest of her short doggy life.
I have been through so many dogs,,,and ToTo is the most precious dog that I ever had.
She is the most loving dog.
She will stay here with my brother when I move out West,,,this is the home she knows,,it wouldn't be right to her to take her to a strange place now that she is a senior dog, and ill...I am so sad :( ....She has been treated like a moviestar dog. She is very, very, spoiled.
I want to give her the best treatment possible. Is there any Veterinarians out there that can answer this question for me.
I really, really, appreciate any documented information that anyone can give. I s Kratom safe, or dangerous for dogs, and cats,,, or any other pets, or farm animals, etc. THANK YOU,,,

FWIW, Pete, vets can usually manage CHF in dogs pretty well, just like with kidney failure.
You can call me Ray.
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4866

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I guess the question must be asked, how do we get the buggers to eat it? Not the easiest taste to mask even hidden in dogfood. :sick:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4867

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Very true. She is very finicky. I rap the pills that she has to take in turkey lunch meat,,, but alot of times the pills end up on the floor.
I do have, 'The Capsule Machine' that I use to make my own valerian caps and B complex caps, etc. I would cap it in '0' caps and try that,,, but as soon as she gets a taste of Kratom she will be spitting it out on the floor,,lol

I want to know if Kratom is safe for animals, and if she could benefit from it like we benefit from it.

I have come to the point where I don't mind the taste that much.

I can dump 3 grams of fine powder on my tounge and wash it down with water if I need to,,, it is definitly not appetizing to say the least,,, I found out not to inhale when doing this though,,,cough, cough,,
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4877

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I have no idea about dogs or cats, but, as virtually any substance,it has been tested on mice.
I found this study on mice via the wikipedia page of kratom:

www.thaiscience.info/journals/Article/Ef...mental%20animals.pdf

however, just because it is safe for mice, does off course not imply it also is safe for dogs :silly:
So i wouldn't really try to feed it to your pets just yet, unless some one knows about a study that tested it on dogs
To rest my eyes in shades of green..
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4878

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Oh, i found something
In animal models, the toxicity of mitragynine was claimed to be relatively low. Macko et al. (1972) found no evidence of toxicity, measured as tremors or convulsions, at doses as high as 920 mg/kg in dogs.However, a more recent study in rats reported lethal effects of 200 mg/kg total alkaloid extract of M. speciosa (Azizi et al., 2010). Janchawee et al. (2007) reported lethal effects after an oral dose of 200 mg mitragynine in rats. In an acute toxicity test, the LD50 for oral administration of the methanolic and alkaloid extracts of M. speciosa were 4.90 g/kg and 173.20 mg/kg in mice, respectively (Reanmongkol et al., 2007). Acute oral administration of 100, 500 and 1000 mg/kg doses of standardized methanolic extract of M. speciosa did not affect spontaneous behaviour, or food and water consumption in rats. The methanolic extract, however, led to a significant increase in alanine transaminase (ALT) and argininosuccinate lyase (ASL). Nephrotoxicity was seen only at a 1000 mg/kg dose as evidenced by elevated creatinine. A histological examination showed congestion of sinusoids, haemorrhage hepatocytes, fatty change, centrilobular necrosis and increased number of Kuppfer cells in the liver. However, an acute treatment with the methanolic extract did not induce damage in the axons and dendrites of hippocampal neurons (Harizal et al., 2010).

from: From Kratom to mitragynine and its derivatives: Physiological and behavioural effects related to use, abuse, and addiction
(Zurina Hassana et al 2012)

(original article of Macko is:)
Some observations on the pharmacoloy of mitragynine (Macko et al 1972)


The studies with rats and mice showed higher toxicity on lower dosage, then the one from Macko on dogs

So the question is now: Do you trust Macko :p

Also; keep in mind these are studies with mitragynine or extracts, not with whole leaf.
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Re: can kratom help pets 2 years 8 months ago #4883

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Oh dear. Now I wish i hadnt read that. Increase of kuppfer cells in the liver? Something which also happens with alcoholics. Now I really hope we cant be compared to animals here :ohmy: :S
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Thank you very much Shades of Green for doing the research, and providing the information.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner,,, I've been on the long haul trucking, ,,, lol
I haven't had time to read about these studies done yet,,, but over my Holiday break I will do that.
I also have to get packed and ready to move to Denver, CO,,,,I'm so ready to move
Best of Holiday Wishes to those of you this applies to. :lol:
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I know this post is several months old, but I hope this response will help. I develop natural supplements for dogs at a human facility, so all our supplements are human grade and food grade (safe for human consumption). We have done an extensive clinical trial with kratom for dogs, and are commercializing a supplement called MytraCanis (tm). On 66 dogs, 62 owners reported noticing improvement in their dog's pain. The worst the case, the better the improvement.

I personally tested it in 4 dogs myself, and saw incredible results. I even tried it in dogs with accident trauma, one took regular pain pills, the other MytraCanis. The one on pain pills was down and slept most of the day. The one on Kratom walked around (still limping a little) but had rather normal days, and we did notice faster recoveries.

A real easy way to feed kratom to dogs is mixing it in sugar free peanut butter. For a large dog, give him 2 grams of Kratom powder for a teaspoon of PB. Mix it well, it'll start forming and unsticking from your fingers. I make enough to last a week, make little balls and freeze them in a ziplock bag.

The MytraCanis has added probiotics and other things that help the dogs process the alkaloids better.

Hope that helps!
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Some evidence of this would be nice. I searched online and found nothing on your "product/brand"
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Sorry if this has been asked but what grade of murmur does ToTo have? I would like to know everything about your dog and what the vet said. Is your dog overweight? Heart worms? Etc etc......There are plenty of things that could solve your dogs murmurs for instance a fat dog may have a thyroid problem and so on. You need to find what kind of murmurs your dog is having, how severe and what is the problem causing them. Kratom definitely won't help with heart murmurs.
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Also since your dog has the cold I wonder if she is running a fever too, this can also bring on the murmurs.
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Yes KratomSmith can you give more info on your product or dosage for a 15 pound dog?
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WayfarinStrangr wrote:
Yes KratomSmith can you give more info on your product or dosage for a 15 pound dog?
I believe is is more important to see verified proof of the product before getting kratom dosing instructions for your pet. For all we know he may be a troll who hates dogs and is telling people oh sure give it to your dogs and I give mine a truck load every morning.. We just do not know.
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I gave i think meang da to my dog once. Not much at all but i just remember we went for a long walk and at one point she started being super funny and energetic it felt like she was a young dog again.

However i do not like how she gets generally. Kinda serious. Shes very calm. Sometimes if she looks down ill give her a tiny bit but generally never.

I give her a bit of mary jane and i can tell its good for her but i will try with the kratom again. Share the love.
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